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Glossary entry

Russian term or phrase:

Граждане ..., с одной стороны, и ..., именуемый в дальнейшем «ЗАКАЗЧИК», с другой стороны

English translation:

Between.................. [name] ("...") and..................... [client] (“Client”)

Added to glossary by Nathalie Stewart
Jan 13, 2017 20:12
7 yrs ago
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Russian term

граждане

Russian to English Bus/Financial Law: Contract(s)
Скажите, пожалуйста, следует ли переводить "граждане" и "физическое лицо" перед фамилией физлица в следующих предложениях в договоре (с артистом). Может, лучше просто оставить пробел для ФИО?

Граждане _________________________________, далее «ИСПОЛНИТЕЛЬ», с одной стороны, и ___________________________________, в лице ___________________________________, именуемый в дальнейшем «ЗАКАЗЧИК»...

"Исполнитель" – физическое лицо, _____________________________________________________ .

Спасибо!
Proposed translations (English)
4 Between.................. [name] ("...") and..................... [client] (“Client”)
3 +5 Messrs. (Misters)
4 individuals
4 -1 Citizens/nationals of...
References
Between.................. [artist name] (“Artist”) and..................... [client name] (“Client”)
Change log

Jan 18, 2017 07:36: Nathalie Stewart Created KOG entry

Jan 18, 2017 07:38: Nathalie Stewart changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/2305805">Nathalie Stewart's</a> old entry - "Граждане ..., с одной стороны, и ..., именуемый в дальнейшем «ЗАКАЗЧИК», с другой стороны"" to ""Between.................. [name] ("...") and..................... [client] (“Client”)""

Discussion

ArnieT Jan 16, 2017:
Oleg Lozinskiy: With all due respect, Frank... Bu Then it is stated afterwards for each гражданин. For example, "Mr. Such and such", a citizen of such and such country,

Proposed translations

2 days 13 hrs
Selected

Between.................. [name] ("...") and..................... [client] (“Client”)

Cf. Reference and example below:
Between.................. [artist name] (“Artist”) and..................... [client name] (“Client”)

Reference information:
Насколько я знаю, структура начальных фраз в англоязычных контрактах несколько другая - в них не пишется "граждане" или "физическое лицо".

Например (только пример, если речь идет о наеме артиста):
https://www.artpact.com/Content/contracts/One Time Rights.pd...

This Agreement (“Agreement”), entered this [day] of [month], [year], between [artist name] (“Artist”) and [client name] (“Client”), shall govern the respective rights of Artist and Client with respect to the artwork described herein.


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TO ASKER:
Thank you very much for your message! I have re-posted my reference as an answer, according to your request.
Note from asker:
Спасибо большое!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Спасибо!"
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13 mins

Citizens/nationals of...

Скажите, пожалуйста, следует ли переводить \"граждане\" и \"физическое лицо\" перед фамилией физлица --> why not?
Peer comment(s):
disagree ArnieT : Way off.
2 days 11 hrs
Are you 100% sure? What if these people are FOREIGN NATIONALS or NON-RESIDENTS and, therefore, are subject to ANOTHER tax treatment as opposed to 'citizens'?
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46 mins

Messrs. (Misters)

In the US, Mr. for one mister and Messrs. for several Misters would be appropriate.
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The modern plural form is Misters, although its usual formal abbreviation Messrs. derives from use of the French title messieurs in the 18th century. Messieurs is the plural of monsieur (originally mon sieur, "my lord"), formed by declining both of its constituent parts separately.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr.

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Examples:
Messrs. Mikhail Ivanovich Glinka and Modest Petrovich Mussorgsky and Mesdames Anna Matveyevna Pavlova and Maya Mikhailovna Plisetskaya.

Messrs. Smith and Jones were named to the company's board at the last general meeting.

Bush's foreign policy would have been better off examining [...] the informal Republican meetings on Capitol Hill in the late 1990s (in which Messrs. Cheney and Rumsfeld<'/b> were key participants).

The artist's fame inspired Messrs. Dolce and Gabbana to invite Ms. McGrath, with whom they have worked for years, to interpret their ideas.

It was danced by Mesdames Proboskovna, Sakitumi and Sonia Leftova, in her quiet way one of the company's most interesting performers.

http://learnersdictionary.com/qa/plural-form-of-mr-and-mrs
Peer comment(s):
agree Nathalie Stewart : Ok but what if they are women?
54 mins
Thank you. NST. I would say Messrs. Mikhail Ivanovich Glinka and Modest Petrovich Mussorgsky and Mesdames Anna Matveyevna Pavlova and Maya Mikhailovna Plisetskaya.
agree Serhiy Tkachuk
6 hrs
Thank you, Serhiy.
agree Ravindra Godbole
7 hrs
Thank you, Ravindra.
agree Tatiana Lammers
1 day 3 hrs
Thank you, Tatiana. Kind regards.
agree Turdimurod Rakhmanov
1 day 22 hrs
Thank you, Turdimurot. Keep on trucking!
neutral Oleg Lozinskiy : With all due respect, Frank... But what if these Messrs and Mesdames are, say, FOREIGN NATIONALS or NON-RESIDENTS and, therefore, are subject to ANOTHER tax treatment? OR if these people are transsexuals or intersexuals?
2 days 11 hrs
Thank you, Oleg. That should be apparent from the context. My aim was to make this understandable to a Western speaker.
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44 mins

individuals

self-explanatory

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But, as the other answerer suggests, perhaps it could be omitted and simply stated "Such and such, hereinafter referred to as the Contractor, on the one side, and such and such, hereinafter referred to as the Customer, on the other side, have entered this agreement ....."

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<quote>And what if.... <unquote> The same if there were out of space aliens. I don't see any mention of any country is this case. Thus, I interpret "citizens" here as simply "individuals," "Messrs." As in "Гражданин, вы несете полнейшую ахинею." Which will translate not as "Citizen (which Russian translators often translate it as), but as "My dear fellow, you are talking complete rubbish here."

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p.s. In the days of developing socialism, "товарищи" might be used instead of "граждане" with the same effect.

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Correction.
Thus, I interpret "citizens" here as simply "individuals,"
Not "citizens," but "граждане."
Peer comment(s):
neutral Oleg Lozinskiy : And what if these 'individuals' are FOREIGN NATIONALS or NON-RESIDENTS and, therefore, are subject to ANOTHER tax treatment as opposed to 'citizens'? BTW, Russian contracts/notarised documens usually start with 'Гражданин(не) (name of country)...'
2 days 11 hrs
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Reference comments

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Reference:

Between.................. [artist name] (“Artist”) and..................... [client name] (“Client”)

Насколько я знаю, структура начальных фраз в англоязычных контрактах несколько другая - в них не пишется "граждане" или "физическое лицо".

Например:
https://www.artpact.com/Content/contracts/One Time Rights.pd...

This Agreement (“Agreement”), entered this [day] of [month], [year], between [artist name] (“Artist”) and [client name] (“Client”), shall govern the respective rights of Artist and Client with respect to the artwork described herein.

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TO ASKER:
Thank you very much for your message! I have re-posted my reference as an answer, according to your request.
Note from asker:
Спасибо большое! Я бы хотела выбрать Ваш совет в качестве лучшего ответа. Может, Вы оформите его как ответ?:)
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree Tatiana Grehan
19 mins
Thank you!
agree Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D.
20 mins
Thank you!
agree Elena Ow-Wing
27 mins
Thank you!
agree Natasha Liberman
39 mins
Thank you!
agree Amy Lesiewicz
1 hr
Thank you!
agree Sofia Gutkin
9 hrs
Thank you!
agree David Knowles : In other words, omit it!
1 day 20 hrs
Thank you!
neutral Oleg Lozinskiy : Why 'Artist'? And not 'Contractor'? In Russian contracts 'исполнитель' means any person who undertakes to deliver goods / perform works / render services. And why 'Client' and not 'Customer'? And why to follow EN-contracts in translating a RU-contract?
2 days 12 hrs
I was not translating the asker's text. I was simply providing examples.
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