Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Deutsch term or phrase:
Diplomabschluß
Englisch translation:
university diploma/degree
Added to glossary by
Jonathan MacKerron
Jun 4, 2007 12:21
17 yrs ago
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Deutsch term
Retired as of Jan 2019!
Native in: Englisch
Works in: Deutsch > Englisch, Französisch > Englisch
Diplomabschluß
Deutsch > Englisch
Geistes- und Sozialwissenschaften
Bildungswesen/Pädagogik
university admissions
"Das Graduiertenprogramm richtet sich andererseits an exzellente Absolventinnen und Absolventen mit einem einschlägigen Masterabschluß, *Diplomabschluß* (oder gleichwertig)."
Here something like "German Diplom"?? - Thanks in advance.
Here something like "German Diplom"?? - Thanks in advance.
Proposed translations
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| 4 +5 | Notes |
Richard Benham
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| 3 | degree OR diploma degree |
Kcda
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| 4 -1 | undergraduate degree or initial degree |
Paula Trucks-Pape
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| 3 | first degree ('...or equivalent') |
Stephen Reader
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Proposed translations
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Richard Benham
Frankreich
Frankreich
Native in Englisch
Frankreich
When quality counts
Native in: Englisch 
Works in: Deutsch > Englisch, Französisch > Englisch, Englisch
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Notes
According to Wahrig, a "Diplom" is equivalent to a master's degree. Under the old German system, currently being phased out in favour of the Anglo-Saxon-inspired Bologna model, the first degree was an MA in the humanities, and Diplom in other subjects such as physics, engineering, translation, mathematics, economics....
However, it is to be noted that these "first degrees" took a considerably longer time than a bachelor's degree, and required some kind of a thesis, and so can fairly well be assimilated to a master's degree in the Anglo-Saxon nomenclature.
The source text is obviously oriented towards graduates of the old German system. It would be misleading to suggest that bachelor's degree graduates were eligible for the course in question.
Maybe "graduates with an excellent relevant master's degree or equivalent (such as the German Diplom)".
Also, it should be noted that not all holders of German degrees are native speakers of German. There might be, say, engineers who qualified in Germany but are still much more comfortable reading in English.
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Hello. Does that count as news? We have known for weeks it was going to happen. Does your New Hampshire motto mean PH should now commit suicide?
In answer to your question, it could be argued that anyone in possession of a German Diplom would know that it is equivalent to a master's degree. It depends a bit on your target audience, but I don't think your suggestion is wrong. I never know who these things are intended for. For example, the webpage for a course I am thinking of doing was recently translated (very badly) into English. Why? The language of instruction is French, and anyone whose French was not good enough to understand the page would not be able to follow the course. (In fact, anyone whose French was good enough to follow the course and whose native language was English could probably have provided a better translation....)
Sorry, I digress. It's probably fine.
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Hello. It is funny how there seems to be a prejudice against diplomas in North America. In other places, both Anglophone and otherwise, there are very often diplomas at a wide range of levels, including postgraduate. Here, for example, is a document from the Qualifications and Curriculum Authority in England, showing the Diploma in Translation (of which I have two...) on the same level as master's degrees: <http://www.qca.org.uk/downloads/qca-06-2298-nqf-web.pdf>.
So, I suppose it might be an idea to avoid the word "diploma" for North American usage....
However, it is to be noted that these "first degrees" took a considerably longer time than a bachelor's degree, and required some kind of a thesis, and so can fairly well be assimilated to a master's degree in the Anglo-Saxon nomenclature.
The source text is obviously oriented towards graduates of the old German system. It would be misleading to suggest that bachelor's degree graduates were eligible for the course in question.
Maybe "graduates with an excellent relevant master's degree or equivalent (such as the German Diplom)".
Also, it should be noted that not all holders of German degrees are native speakers of German. There might be, say, engineers who qualified in Germany but are still much more comfortable reading in English.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-06-04 14:52:57 GMT)
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Hello. Does that count as news? We have known for weeks it was going to happen. Does your New Hampshire motto mean PH should now commit suicide?
In answer to your question, it could be argued that anyone in possession of a German Diplom would know that it is equivalent to a master's degree. It depends a bit on your target audience, but I don't think your suggestion is wrong. I never know who these things are intended for. For example, the webpage for a course I am thinking of doing was recently translated (very badly) into English. Why? The language of instruction is French, and anyone whose French was not good enough to understand the page would not be able to follow the course. (In fact, anyone whose French was good enough to follow the course and whose native language was English could probably have provided a better translation....)
Sorry, I digress. It's probably fine.
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Note added at 7 hrs (2007-06-04 19:57:44 GMT)
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Hello. It is funny how there seems to be a prejudice against diplomas in North America. In other places, both Anglophone and otherwise, there are very often diplomas at a wide range of levels, including postgraduate. Here, for example, is a document from the Qualifications and Curriculum Authority in England, showing the Diploma in Translation (of which I have two...) on the same level as master's degrees: <http://www.qca.org.uk/downloads/qca-06-2298-nqf-web.pdf>.
So, I suppose it might be an idea to avoid the word "diploma" for North American usage....
Note from asker:
| so how am I supposed to concentrate after just getting the awful news "Paris Hilton sitzt hinter Gittern"??- Perhaps here they are simply suggesting any degree that is equivalent to a masters, even if it does not have "master" in its title?? |
| would "eqivalent university diploma" be too vague here |
Peer comment(s):
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seehand
: Das ist doch eine gute Lösung!
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Thanks.
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Kim Metzger
: I think "master's degree or equivalent (such as the German Diplom" is a fine solution.
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Thanks, Kim.
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Katja Kleinschmidt (X)
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Thanks, Charlottella.
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Teresa Reinhardt
: Excellent, but Asker needs to let go of "diploma" in English for good; that's a paper you get when your puppy passes obedience class or your kid "graduates" from kindergarden, as well as for mail order courses
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Thanks. There are all sorts of diplomas, including post-doctoral diplomas. There is no harm in saying "or equivalent diploma": the dog obedience diploma is unlikely to be considered equivalent. The word is more abused in US than elsewhere....
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Courtney Sliwinski
: I like the master's or equivalent solution. If only Paris had done that instead of partying...
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Thanks. To me, the saddest part about the Paris Hilton story is that they are going to let her out again.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "I went with "equivalent university diploma" - thanks to all contributors"
7 Min.
degree OR diploma degree
Commonly used in the English education as having a degree. A Diplomabschluß means one has studied at a certain level and has concluded these studies sucessfully. Hence achieved a degree in the relevant study. (BA, MA, AA etc.)
Peer comment(s):
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Kim Metzger
: But the asker's problem is distinguishing between a Mastersabschluss and a Diplomabschluss. Google is an excellent source of info about language use - if you know how to use it.
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There is no perfect answer in this case. The British and US education system distinguish by using prefixes (MA,BA,AA etc.) Diploma degree is used too.
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Richard Benham
: There is a problem here. I don't think a bachelor's degree would be accepted.//I made the point about "diploma degree" sounding nonsensical in my comment on Stephen Reader's answer.
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Thank you. Incidentally Diploma Degree is close to nonsense! I came across it being used but Google is not king. In other words not exactly a language authority or landmark is it!?
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Paula Trucks-Pape
Deutschland
Deutschland
Native in Englisch
Works in field
Deutschland
Native U.S. English, Technical Writer
Native in: Englisch (Variants: UK, US)
Works in: Deutsch > Englisch
Related KudoZ points
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undergraduate degree or initial degree
The text concerns a graduate program, so I would prefer "undergraduate degree," which provides the context that it is a pre-master's degree, but is rather ambiguous (could be German "Diplom" or other "Bachelor's".
Peer comment(s):
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Kcda
: Yes undergraduate is fine too but as you implied and I noted down it is a matter of prefixes. A undergraduate degree would be in this instance a batchelor of arts - BA.
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Richard Benham
: The "Diplom" is alleged to be equivalent to a master's degree. A bachelor's degree would presumably not be acceptable.
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I have always understood that there is some overlap among Diplom and U.S.-oriented B.A./M.A/M.S. degrees. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplom I've never been comfortable translating "Diplom".
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first degree ('...or equivalent')
With Kcda, except that you already have 'Masters' preceding (unless you drop that and cover all with Kcda's soln.) This is presuming that you wouldn't need to cite the German application of 'Diplom' as it's addressed to graduates of Eng-speaking educ. systems.
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If 'Masters = Diplom' stands, then replace my 'first degree' with 'higher degree'. Borders hazy anyway as this is a postgrad. course and postgrad would include a masters.
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If 'Masters = Diplom' stands, then replace my 'first degree' with 'higher degree'. Borders hazy anyway as this is a postgrad. course and postgrad would include a masters.
Peer comment(s):
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Kcda
: MA degree, diploma degree (or equivalent) - However a diploma degree can be as said many other levels.
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Thx, Kcda. THEN maybe just 'degree or equivalent' (not B *A*, M*A*, as it would exclude BSc etc.)
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Richard Benham
: "Diploma degree" sounds like nonsense. The traditional "Diplom" was supposed to be equivalent to an MA degree.
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