Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
gesellschaftliche Perspektiven fernab gängiger Einschränkungen
English translation:
(extremely?) outspokenly
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Ben_ (X)
Oct 17, 2013 20:11
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German term
gesellschaftliche Perspektiven fernab gängiger Einschränkungen
German to English
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Government / Politics
Originally from a text on animal rights and I've completely drawn a blank - any help?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 | (extremely?) outspokenly |
David Moore (X)
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| 3 +2 | social perspectives far away from common restrictions |
Kirsten Kohlwey
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| 3 +1 | social perspectives that rise above the usual limitations |
Michael Martin, MA
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Proposed translations
12 hrs
German term (edited):
fernab gängiger Einschränkungen
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(extremely?) outspokenly
Good morning, and welcome, to echo Ramey.
To me, the snippet you posted makes no sense at all in German, and I think you are on the right track. I'd suggest something like:
"...Moser addressed the meeting outspokenly on the political responsibility of art...".
But if you translate the whole thing into English word for word, it really doesn't make sense either (elegant? Phooey!), any more than in German assuming that the "gänginer Einschränkungen" are referring to the "gesellschaftliche Perspektiven". I'm with you on this one - it refers to the whole sentence.
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Note added at 12 hrs (2013-10-18 08:35:15 GMT)
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Oh, and yes - "Perspectiven" as in prospects, I think.
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Note added at 18 hrs (2013-10-18 15:01:26 GMT)
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Possibly my wife has thrown some light into the darkness. She is a GNS, and understands the Einschränkungen to refer to both the "political responsibility of art", the "promotion of animal rights" AND the "social perspectives/prospects", and suggested "way beyond (the) conventional limits" as a translation of the last three words.
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Note added at 18 hrs (2013-10-18 15:06:09 GMT)
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If this is so, it may be your best option to write:
"..spoke way beyond conventional limits of/about the political responsibility of art, the promotion of animal rights...."
To me, the snippet you posted makes no sense at all in German, and I think you are on the right track. I'd suggest something like:
"...Moser addressed the meeting outspokenly on the political responsibility of art...".
But if you translate the whole thing into English word for word, it really doesn't make sense either (elegant? Phooey!), any more than in German assuming that the "gänginer Einschränkungen" are referring to the "gesellschaftliche Perspektiven". I'm with you on this one - it refers to the whole sentence.
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Note added at 12 hrs (2013-10-18 08:35:15 GMT)
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Oh, and yes - "Perspectiven" as in prospects, I think.
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Note added at 18 hrs (2013-10-18 15:01:26 GMT)
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Possibly my wife has thrown some light into the darkness. She is a GNS, and understands the Einschränkungen to refer to both the "political responsibility of art", the "promotion of animal rights" AND the "social perspectives/prospects", and suggested "way beyond (the) conventional limits" as a translation of the last three words.
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Note added at 18 hrs (2013-10-18 15:06:09 GMT)
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If this is so, it may be your best option to write:
"..spoke way beyond conventional limits of/about the political responsibility of art, the promotion of animal rights...."
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks for going to all that effort - glad I'm not the only one who thought it was bad German in the first place! "
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17 mins
Kirsten Kohlwey
United States
United States
Native in German
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English
Works in field
United States
ATA certified, software engineer
Native in: German 
, English
Works in: German to English, English to German, English, and 1 more.
social perspectives far away from common restrictions
or
social perspectives removed from established taboos
I am sure there are more elegant ways to say this but that is the meaning
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Note added at 33 mins (2013-10-17 20:45:00 GMT)
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Perhaps here this would be better:
societal perspectives outside the norm of established limitations
social perspectives removed from established taboos
I am sure there are more elegant ways to say this but that is the meaning
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Note added at 33 mins (2013-10-17 20:45:00 GMT)
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Perhaps here this would be better:
societal perspectives outside the norm of established limitations
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Jochen König
: I like the second one better
1 hr
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| agree |
H. C. Centner
: I think I would use "beyond" instead of "outside"
17 hrs
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| neutral |
David Moore (X)
: This doesn't really sound like English to me.
18 hrs
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+1
8 hrs
Michael Martin, MA
United States
United States
Native in German
&
English
Specializes in field
United States
Creativity wins in the long run
Native in: German (Variant: Germany) , English (Variant: US)
Works in: German to English
Related KudoZ points
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76
social perspectives that rise above the usual limitations
Example sentence with a similar structure:
"..extrinsic information allows broader perspectives that rise above isolated self-interest."
To me, it seems unlikely that "fernab gängiger Einschränkungen" refers to "sprach". Even with the flexible German syntax, these two are too far apart to be connected. "Er sprach fernab gängiger Einschränkungen" sounds too awkward, idiomatically.
"..extrinsic information allows broader perspectives that rise above isolated self-interest."
To me, it seems unlikely that "fernab gängiger Einschränkungen" refers to "sprach". Even with the flexible German syntax, these two are too far apart to be connected. "Er sprach fernab gängiger Einschränkungen" sounds too awkward, idiomatically.
Peer comment(s):
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dkfmmuc
: 100 % agree. A *really great* solution. The termin "rising" transports the theme of launching, starting and a new beginning.
2 hrs
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Thanks, dkfmmuc!
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ViBe
: "perspectives" as in "viewpoints" or "prospects?"/ Does this word have a meaning not reflected in dictionaries? Pls elucidate...
3 hrs
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None of the above. As in perspectives//"Viewpoints" is too narrow and "prospects" is too neutral, IMO. In other words, there is too much "opinion" in viewpoint whereas in "prospects" there is not enough of it. "Outlook" might work, though...
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David Moore (X)
: Not really English, is it..//I agree entirely, and my OH has now given me a GNS view on the original sentence.
4 hrs
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Sounds more English to me than certain other contributions...//Congratulations, David. I think you got there in the end..!
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