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pédicule lombo-aortique
martyr
Jun 5, 2022 09:31
1 yr ago
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French term

plateau libre

French to English Tech/Engineering Construction / Civil Engineering
Hi

Describing the Grand Palais Ephémère in Paris:

"un plateau libre, une page blanche sur laquelle chacun des exploitants peut projeter ses événements"

I found this other example of "plateau libre" with the same meaning:

"La médiathèque est conçue sur un plateau libre permettant toutes évolutions possibles"

Thanks!
Proposed translations (English)
4 +4 open/untrammelled floorspace
4 empty stage
3 open area
3 a blank stage
3 -1 a stage without a set

Discussion

Conor McAuley Jun 5, 2022:
Also: a different definition again, but still... "open stage":


open stage, also called thrust stage, or platform stage, theatrical stage without a proscenium, projecting into the audience and surrounded on three sides by the audience.

open stage | theatre | Britannica

https://www.britannica.com/art/open-stage
Conor McAuley Jun 5, 2022:
I don't know about a construction industry term but...

I like "blank canvas", a lot, but "plateau libre" appears to mean "open stage", e.g.:
https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/RC-020432/open-stage/

Compare with "open mike night" for stand-ups, poetry, etc.
Sandra Petch (asker) Jun 5, 2022:
Industry term? Is there a construction industry term for "plateau libre" as I intend to use "blank canvas" for "page blanche"?

Proposed translations

+4
5 hrs
Selected

open/untrammelled floorspace

Interestingly, this venue is built on the part of the Champs de Mars known as the 'plateau Joffre", where I used to hang out in 1980.

I think you need a word implying something larger than just a 'stage' and more specific than 'area'. The total groundtake is over 10,000 m².

In construction, 'plateau' refers to what is called a floor plate or a work floor, esp. referring to open-plan/landscaped office space, or as the French say, 'un open space': "QU’EST-CE QU’UN OPEN SPACE ? L’open space ou « plateau ouvert » est un aménagement de plus en plus courant dans les entreprises. Il consiste à ouvrir la surface de travail en éliminant les cloisons afin de réunir les équipes au sein d’un seul et même espace."

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The building's arched structure means, I presume, that there are no columns in the middle of a it all.
Peer comment(s):
neutral philgoddard : Stage is a metaphor, like "blank sheet of paper".
1 hr
I let myself be influenced by 'Tech/Engineering - Construction / Civil Engineering'. Engineers are serious people, they don't do metaphor.
agree writeaway : unless asker returns and changes the fields for this question, this can be considered to be a viable answer
2 hrs
Thanks. Had I seen this first, I needn't have commented as above.
agree Anastasia Kalantzi
4 hrs
agree Tony M : I agree! It's important not to mislead the reader into think this refers to some specific kind of 'stage' or 'platform' — as you say, it is 'plateau' in the sense of the floor of a building, these days often open-plan. I wouldn't use 'untrammelled' though
23 hrs
agree Daryo : yes here "plateau" is just a big flat hard floor surface - that could be filled with just about anything, // Also, "Grand Palais Ephémère" is a pretty good clue, patiently waiting to be noticed and picked up instead of being cheerfully ignored by most ...
1 day 5 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you. "Open floorspace" is perfect."
10 mins

open area

Top of my head suggestion.
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5 hrs

empty stage

I think this is an improvement on Conor's answers, which are on the right lines.
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35 mins

a blank stage

Say what you see:

https://www.artnewspaper.fr/news/anselm-kiefer-en-vedette-au... (see photo - page down a bit in article)


Compare that photo with:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q="blank stage"&source=lnms&...


Also a play on words with "a blank page".


I would go confidence 4, but since it's a creative question...



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Note added at 37 mins (2022-06-05 10:08:44 GMT)
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"A blank stage, a blank page..." works quite well I think, with the repetition.

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Note added at 44 mins (2022-06-05 10:15:37 GMT)
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open stage

https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/RC-020432/open-stage/

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(3)

https://www.britannica.com/art/open-stage


open stage, also called thrust stage, or platform stage, theatrical stage without a proscenium, projecting into the audience and surrounded on three sides by the audience.

open stage | theatre | Britannica

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Note added at 5 hrs (2022-06-05 15:15:35 GMT)
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I admit that authorial intention is an issue here, but "open stage" covers a few concepts, and that's actually an advantage here, unless anybody can read the mind of the author!

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See the photo here:

https://www.leparisien.fr/paris-75/paris-voici-a-quoi-ressem... ,

read this: "open stage, also called thrust stage, or platform stage, theatrical stage without a proscenium, projecting into the audience and surrounded on three sides by the audience",

and draw your own conclusions.
Peer comment(s):
neutral philgoddard : "Blank" doesn't work, because it goes on to say "blank sheet of paper". And "open stage" is confusing because, as your references show, it means something else.
4 hrs
I admit that authorial intention is an issue here, but "open stage" covers a few concepts, and that's actually an advantage here, unless anybody can read the mind of the author!
neutral Tony M : Agree with Phil: these days, an 'open stage' tends to often be viewed like an 'open mic' session, which this is clearly not.
1 day 4 hrs
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-1
1 day 4 hrs

a stage without a set

A variation and clearly based on/inspired by other suggestions.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Tony M : There is no assumption this is actually any kind of theatrical 'stage', neither is there any sense in using a negative 'without a set'. I don't fundame,ntally disagree with 'stage' on its own, but your addition makes it even more wrong.
45 mins
three suggestions had stage which you don't like but you only disagreed with mine. Mmm
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